Thursday, June 28, 2012

In Search of a Title: GTB's 2012 NBA Draft Preview

Once again, the middle of the summer is approaching and the sports landscape is beginning to look painfully barren. Though not as barren as usual thanks to the end of Euro 2012 and the upcoming London Olympics. Nevertheless, there's no doubt that the sports viewing options outside of baseball are extremely limited by the time we reach late June. However, within the sad realization that SportsCenter will soon become nothing but baseball highlights is the glimmer of excitement generated (for me at least) when you realize that the NBA Draft is approaching.

I love the NBA Draft, it's where College Basketball meets the NBA (and in many unfortunate cases, where College Basketball meets the D-League or FIBA) and, as TJ has stated, it's also the best reality show on TV. You get just as much crying, deceit and heartbreak as any reality show, with the added bonus of the NBA Draft being far less scripted than the seemingly thousands of reality shows flooding your TVs during the summer.

(I looked for a picture of Steve Francis' famously infantile reaction to being drafted by Vancouver but it seems David Stern's minions have wiped it clean off the inter webs. Oh well.)


Editor's Note: I found the sad Franchise pic (via @Jose3030 - that man does tremendous work on the tweet machine)


As always, this "analysis" of potential draftees are just my opinions. Sometimes I will nail it (see: Faried, Kenneth), other times I will fail miserably (see: Westbrook, Russell).

Like 'Em (Excluding Anthony Davis: Because who doesn't think he's going to be good to great in the NBA?)

Bradley Beal: I like the guy who played at Florida. Shocking, I'm sure. With that said, there's a lot to like about Beal. He's got good size for the 2 and is a very good, if not elite athlete. He's shoots it well and should continue to improve, as his shooting fundamentals are superb. He's not just a shooter though. He led Florida in rebounding this year and rebounding (along with blocks) traditionally translates to the NBA. He's, by all accounts, a good natured, very intelligent kid with great leadership potential. In fact, when Florida's season finally came together was when Beal stopped deferring to upperclassmen Erving Walker and Kenny Boynton. All of that is great, but really separates Beal is total offensive package. If he continues to develop his 3 point stroke and ability to create off the dribble, Beal has multiple All-Star potential. (On a personal note: I'd love to see Beal team up with either Kyrie Irving (1st) or John Wall (2nd). Both of those backcourts have scary good long term potential).

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist: Best motor in the draft. MKG just outworks everyone on the floor. And, according to reports, does the same off the court. He was, apparently, the leader of Kentucky's "breakfast club". A group of players who met on their own in the mornings to work on their game. With his athleticism and work ethic, his floor as a player is Gerald Wallace(not bad), but if he can straighten out his jumps shot (he's only 19) then that potential grows immensely. Would be neat to see him team up with former high school teammate Kyrie Irving in Cleveland (just think about those two playing high school ball together).

THIS JUST IN: Kyrie Irving is really, really good.



Dion Waiters: He already has an NBA ready skill. He can create shots off the dribble and get to the basket. Most question whether he's big enough to be a 2 guard. I think those concerns are overblown in today's NBA. Waiters is a guard. Period. Monta Ellis isn't as big as Waiters. Neither is Lou Williams. Dywane Wade can't be much bigger, if at all. Waiters isn't the type of explosive athlete Wade was but he has the potential to be a lesser version of him in terms of explosive scoring ability. He will provide some immediate offensive firepower off the bench at worst and should become an impact player as a starter or 6th man very quickly.

Terrence Jones: This is all about where Jones is currently being projected, which is in the late teens. I realize that Jones is enigmatic and sometimes inconsistent but he's highly skilled, 6'10" and he cares. I don't think he's the knucklehead he's been made out to be. If he was, would he have come back to school last year when he was a projected mid-1st round pick? Would he have put his ego aside to accommodate Kentucky's high profile freshman and win a National Title? Just a guess, but I say no. If you can get Jones in the teens, I think he's more than worth it.

Don't Like

Harrison Barnes: This is also largely about where he goes, as well as the undue hype heaped upon Barnes since high school. TJ and I have gone back and forth on Barnes many times. I just don't see it with him. He doesn't create well off the dribble. He's an average athlete who appears at times to lack the toughness to take advantage of his height (6'8") by posting up or taking it to the hoop consistently. Even worse, he disappeared for long stretches of games during his two years at Carolina. I'd take him late in the top 10, not in the top 5. At best, he's Sean Elliot. Which isn't bad, but he won't be one of the three best players on a championship team.

Perry Jones III: What a fall it's been for Jones. If he'd have been eligible to declare coming out of high school, there's a good chance he would've been the #1 overall pick. That's how impressive his physical gifts are. Unfortunately, Jones too often fails to live up to those gifts. He seems to possess too passive a mentality to take games over and is willing to drift on the perimeter on both offense and defense. Maybe Jones III figures it all out at the NBA. I'm just not willing to bet that. Not for a guy who has his kind of skill, height and athleticism who only averaged 14 pts/game in high school. Yes, you read that right. (Disclaimer: If he's sitting out there for a team like the 76ers at 15, you might as well swing for the fences.)

John Henson: He's a tremendous shot blocker and developed further offensively every year at UNC (it held that he started at 0). I just don't know where he plays in the NBA. He's too fragile to play power forward and isn't nearly skilled enough at this point to play small forward. His body doesn't look like it can add much more weight so you have to hope he develops a perimeter game and becomes a small forward. Sorry, I don't see it.

Fab Melo: He's a decent athlete with good defensive instincts but doesn't seem to be very active on the floor or keep himself in very good shape off it. The list of big guys who fit that description and flamed out of the NBA is too long to run down here. Somebody's going to take Melo in the first round. Have fun with that.


Draymond Green: Rob loves him. I don't. I just don't know where he plays (or who he guards) in the NBA. He's similar to another potential draftee, Royce White, in that he thrives with the ball in his hands. Except he's not as skilled or athletic as White. I also have my doubts about the kind of shape he keeps himself in. He was a great college player, I can't see him as anything more than an 8th/9th man in the NBA.

50/50 (These guys could go either way)

Royce White: I'm sure you've all heard about White's anxiety disorder and how it affects his ability to fly (if you haven't, read the Grantland article on White). Apparently, it's been somewhat overblown (the flying thing, not the anxiety disorder). Either way, if it wasn't for concerns over the anxiety disorder White would be a top 10 pick, even with his other "issues" from early in his collegiate career. He's that good. Aside from all the personal things about White, there is another concern, in my opinion. His success is going to be very dependent on who drafts him. White's game is unique. He's a bit of a point power forward. He needs the ball in his hands a little more than your average big man. Not in a selfish way. He's a great creator and ball handler. But because of his unique style, where he lands will go a long way to determining his immediate success in the NBA.

Andre Drummond: There are red flags galore. Whispers that he might not love the game, concerns about his motor, etc. Here's the thing though: He's 7 ft tall, he's a freak athlete and he's only 19. He also played on a supremely dysfunctional UConn team this year with bunch of guards who would've rather heaved contested 3s than actually, you know, feed the guy with a physical mismatch against anyone he played. I think Drummond worst case scenario is DeAndre Jordan and his best is All-Star. If he ends up somewhere in between? Well, then he's probably a top 5-10 guy from this draft when we look back 10 years from now. (One thing I forgot to mention: Drummond shot 29.5% on FTs as a freshman.)

Jeremy Lamb: Another UConn guy. Lamb came back to school this year to improve his draft stock. That didn't really happen. A bit surprising when you consider how dominant Lamb was last summer in the U-20 World Championships in Lithuania. I think Lamb suffered from some of the the issues as Drummond, namely guards who jacked tons of shots and made terrible decisions. I also think that Lamb's personality isn't suited to being "the guy". He's much more comfortable as a 2nd or 3rd option. If that's true and Lamb ends up on a team where he can focus on his role while he to gets better off the dribble, stronger and extends his range then he has the ability to be a top 5-6 NBA shooting guard.



Jared Sullinger: This is all because of his back. It's supposedly been red-flagged by the NBA. Meaning that NBA doctors think it will significantly hinder his NBA career and possibly even cut it short. Teams are understandably wary of Sullinger as a result. He was already undersized and just an average athlete. Now he's viewed as damaged goods. Sullinger now finds himself projected in the 20s. I understand staying away from Sullinger in the lottery, but he's too skilled and tough to pass up late in the first. I'd be excited if the Magic selected him at 19. Plenty of guys have been red flagged over the years and had very good NBA careers (Monta Ellis, Danny Granger, DeJuan Blair). I hope we can say the same about Sullinger in 10 years.

Damian Lillard: I really, really like Lillard. He's athletic, tough, shoots it well and isn't a me first point guard like his stats might suggest. He was forced to be shoot more often at Weber State because he was so much better than his teammates but I believe he'll be a good PG with the ability to score in the NBA. My concern with Lillard is that he's being projected to go between 6-8. That's awfully high for a PG out of the Big Sky Conference.

Sleepers (2nd Rounders to keep an eye on)

Scott Machado: I'm a sucker for PGs and Iona's Machado is amongst my favorite college PGs in recent memory. He led the NCAA in assists and is a better shooter than he gets credit for. He should carve out a nice career as a backup PG.

Jared Cunningham: I only saw him play a few times since he was at Oregon State but what I saw was impressive. He's an elite athlete with good size for the 2. And he's shown the ability to play some point as well. He needs to get stronger and refine his offensive game but there is plenty of potential and ability.

Kyle O'Quinn: You remember him from the NCAA Tournament. O'Quinn is 6'10" with good offensive skills. He works hard and impressed in workouts with NBA teams. That will get you a spot on someone's team.

Doron Lamb: The unsung hero for Kentucky this year (along with Darius Miller). Lamb is a lights out shooter with the ability to play some point as well. His shooting and demeanor should get him into the NBA. If he further diversifies his offensive arsenal and can play some PG, it will get him into the rotation in the NBA.

On paper this looks like one of the deepest drafts in years. In case you didn't notice, I'm pretty excited about it.

156 comments:

  1. I fucking love the NBA Draft.

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  2. allow me to clarify my position on draymond green. i love his character and would want him on my team. but i really don't think he'll be a great pro for all the reasons mark notes.

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  3. I would just like to commend Mark on his effort with this post. Nice work, tat boy.

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  4. Noted, Rob. And thank you, Teej.

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  5. This is not based on Mark's comments here on Davis, but I think the hype on him is getting a little over the top. I read somewhere today that said his ceiling is Tim Duncan.

    I don't know how NBA ready his body is right now. I know his height and long arms make up for a lot, but he's gonna get pushed around a whole lot.

    That's my contrarian call. And I always like to preface my draft commentary by saying I desparately wanted the Knicks to get Drew Gooden and Chris Wilcox when they were coming out.

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  6. I always thought both those guys were gay. Thanks for confirming, TR.

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  7. I thought Marcus Fizer was the next Karl Malone, so I don't do draft previews.

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  8. Did I tell you guys about my Congressional Medal of Honor from WWII?

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  9. the worst-case scenario for our company(small business) is the loss of roughly 60% of our profits. if those costs are to be passed on, not one more job will be created, as compared to the 1300-1500 created in the previous 10 years. that's just us though! maybe it'll be great for the others!

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  10. How do these comments relate to Marcus Fizer?

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  11. Davis is oddly hyped for a guy who isn't an offensive stud. To me (with limited college basketball viewing) he looks like a Marcus Camby. Maybe better than him. But that's really not that bad. Camby has been a good player for a long time.

    Expectations are always out of control in the draft. No sense in nit-picking guys in the teens and 20s. If you get an actual NBA player outside the lottery it's a win. Same if you get a plus player who's not an all-star anywhere after 2 or 3.

    I'm fascinated by Sullinger and bummed about the back issue. He's one of the few guys in the draft I've seen a bunch of times and really go back and forth on what he's going to be. Sometimes I'm thinking as good as a poor man's Kevin Love. Others I'm thinking one of those productive college PFs who does absolutely nothing in the NBA. Like a less obese Mike Sweetney.

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  12. based on what, danimal, the court upholding aca?

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  13. Recent Sweetney pic:
    http://bit.ly/N7mUeu

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  14. I'd like to get him involved in the annual OBFT Tortuga's race. I wouldn't like to be involved in splitting his lunch bill.

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  15. Camby is a good analogy for Davis. He would benefit if he was brought along slowly, like KG, who played less than 30 minutes per game as a rookie, or Kobe, who played 16 mpg his first year and 26 mpg his second. And he also needs to gain 30 lbs in a hurry. Unlike me.

    Sullinger will fall and a smart team will take the gamble for a talented guy with a big body who will help you for as long as he's healthy. He's like DeJuan Blair v2.0.

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  16. If you put a gun to my head and made me point out one flaw with Bob Seger's Turn the Page, it would be that the introductory sax solo sounds a bit too much like Glenn Frey's You Belong to the City for my taste.

    And while I agree that Seger should not be punished if his song evokes memories of a mediocre pop tune written nearly a decade after his that may have copied that sultry brass sound, it's a fact that one evokes memories of the other.

    Sorry. Had to get that off my chest.

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  17. I too think Davis needs to add weight, but the NBA landscape has changed for big men. It's an outside-in league now. There are very few true low post threats. As a big man, it's just as important to be able to guard the pick & roll as it is to defend the post, maybe more so. Davis is well equipped to do that. I also think part of the hype around Davis is that he seems very capable of much more offensive development given his athleticism, hands & recent growth spurt.

    The Camby comparison is a good one, though I think his offensive ceiling is much higher.

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  18. I also think Sullinger is much more skilled offensively than DeJuan Blair.

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  19. "Turn the Page" is a classic. Live Bullet is so boss. Which is interesting, because it predates Seger's hits. Which, by the way... there are few three-album swings in rock and roll history like Night Moves/Stranger In Town/Against the Wind. Say what you want about Bob Seger, but in that trio of records, there are 15-18 songs that you know, many of which are just great rock songs. Old time rock and roll, if you will. Very strong effort.

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  20. I'm a huge fan of Dion Waiters.

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  21. Something to keep the mind occupied - 1st round picks who wore t-shirts under their uniforms in college.

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  22. damn you, clarence and your stupid wings

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  23. Was Todd Day a 1st round pick?

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  24. It's Todd Day fact time. Some of this is surprising to me. Some not so much.

    Todd Day was chosen by the Milwaukee Bucks as the #8 pick of the draft. He played 10 seasons in the NBA and had a career high of 16 points per game in 94-95.

    He was traded to Boston with Alton Lister for Sherman Douglas (another t-shirt guy?) Day was a career 40% shooter from the field and he was 10th in the league in personal fouls in 94-95. Day only made the post-season one time, in 2000 with the Suns where he averaged 4 points per game. Statistically the most similar player to Day is Keith Bogans.

    Todd Day made $12.1 million playing in the NBA.

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  25. Toby Bailey also wore a t-shirt! I'm good at this game. Or maybe I'm just the only one playing.

    Wait...he was a second round pick. Damn.

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  26. Somebody might want to take away Greg's belt and shoelaces....

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  27. Todd Day was a stud at Arkansas. I believe he left as their all time leading scorer. Another 1st rounder in that team wore a t-shirt under his jersey: Oliver Miller.

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  28. I like this game too. Wesley Person.

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  29. David Rivers?
    Reggie Williams

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  30. Adam Morrison? Keith Van Horn?

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  31. Billy Curley? Todd Fuller?

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  32. italia! day-drinking and watching soccer is the best. how long until i can retire and collect my big fat pension?

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  33. Who was the third first round pick that played with Todd Day and Oliver Miller at Arkansas?

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  34. Magic hat variety 12 pack purchased by the wife today....summer tour beers.

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  35. I really enjoy my Thursday night Men's basketball league. I do not enjoy how often it gets in the way of sports-related events I love. Events like the NBA Draft, NFL Draft and NCAA Tournament.

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  36. Lee Mayberry, TJ. That was Nolan Richardson's 1st Final Four team. They lost to UNLV in the Semis.

    Corliss played with the likes of Scotty Thurman. Dwight Stewart, Clint Richardson and, of course, Alex Dillard.

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  37. Lee Mayberry got drafted in the first round? I totally forgot that, then.

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  38. Clint McDaniel. Not Richardson. Dammit.

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  39. By the Vancouver Grizzlies, I believe.

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  40. 23rd pick in '92...to Bucks.

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  41. START THE F'ING DRAFT ALREADY

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  42. Jay Bilas just acknowledged, subtly, the Jay Bilas draft drinking game after saying "wingspan" three times in a row.

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  43. 1. Glad we have Beal even though he's a Gator (sorry Mark)
    2. Not able to watch the draft b/c I'm still at my desk, listening online. So bummed b/c this is one of my favorite made-for-TV events.

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  44. Why is Bilas dressed like a mortician?

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  45. Wow. Dion Waiters just went 4th. Holy shit.

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  46. the draft already started?

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  47. giants in the superbowl and italia in the euro cup finals. itsa good year for northa brunswick.

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  48. You gotta respect a guy who gets emotional at the draft. Shows he has an idea how big the moment is. A good sign of maturity.

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  49. T-Rob and Cousins are gonna be a fun pairing.

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  50. waiters was very impressive on espn radio talking about how he matured under boeheim.

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  51. I love Robinson.
    Did you guys see KD's tweet congratulating him?
    First class.

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  52. Is Lillard's mom Mrs. Tracy Jordan?

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  53. Damian Lillard's suit is sponsored by Dante tuxedos.

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  54. Sad face for Stern....no one hugging it out with him.
    Phelps swimming in a minute. Come on over.

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  55. Rachel Dratch is doing a great job tonight handing out hats.

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  56. Someone might end up with a huge steal in Drummond...Toronto maybe? Drummond with Monroe in Detroit?

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  57. Green bowtie on Terrence Ross.

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  58. Andre Drummond not afraid to start crying before he gets drafted.

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  59. I do not like Austin Rivers.

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  60. Meyers Leonard, first guy one of the draft hats actually seemed to fit on.

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  61. meyers leonard is honky for 'big white stiff'

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  62. He's actually really athletic, rob. You racist.

    And and though I like Dion Waiters, taking him 4th seems a little aggressive.

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  63. Bilas is trying way too hard to let us know he "gets it".

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  64. I have very little faith that Leonard will make an impact in the league. But then again, I know nothing.

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  65. that was my point, teejeronimous. apologies for offending mark's tender sensibilities.

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  66. Maurice Harkless' mom gave us our first mom neck tattoo of the night.

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  67. Thank you. And though he is very athletic. I too think Meyers Leonard will suck.

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  68. Just noticed the tags on this post "Teeh hates Harrison Barnes"? Really? You loved him at the beginning of last year. You should've at least made it WE hate Harrison Barnes.

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  69. Speaking of Harrison Barnes: Last year the Warriors took a shooter who can create off the dribble (Klya Thompspon) and then this year they took a shooter who can't create off the dribble. Can they sign Gilbert Arenas to run the post practice shooting games/gambling sessions.

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  70. I'm just getting home from my game but I see Toronto took Terrence Ross. That's quite a reach on a team that has needs EVERYWHERE.

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  71. And damn, Detroit might...might be nasty up front in a couple of years with Monroe & Drummond. That's a very interesting offense/defense big man tandem.

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  72. A lot of time, and watching of games, has passed since those halcyon days, my friend.

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  73. Shlara- Why do you hate Florida? Did I miss something over the years?

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  74. I know, Teej. As Rob said, I'm just easily offended.

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  75. But I did modify the label.

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  76. tyler zeller, on the other hand, will be a very good professional hoopster.

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  77. I want Jay Bilas to identify an illegitimate 7-footer for me.

    This draft is boring.

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  78. Gotta agree with TR, this draft is boring as fuck.

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  79. What would make the draft exciting, TR? Should Jay Bilas challenge Fran Fraschilla to a cage match?

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  80. Just got home & turned on the TV--I missed the boo-ing of Stern on the radio.

    And Mark, I think everyone outside of Florida hates the Gators...

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  81. Mrs. Zeller got a little too excited with her wardrobe, unless she's heading to a wedding with Damian Lillard after the draft.

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  82. Really? Maybe you guys are boring. ever think about that? Hmmmm?

    No. It probably is. I missed the first hour of it.

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  83. Broussard/Bilas/Fraschilla no-holds barred cage match. I'm in.

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  84. Maybe I just need my first draft pick to storm down from the crowd. That always gets me fired up.

    No trades, no crazy wardrobes and no funny looking foreigners makes for a dull draft.

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  85. Magic gonna take Perry Jones III?

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  86. Here's my list of guys I want the Magic to draft now that Royce White & Terrence Jones are gone (dammit!):

    Jared Sullinger
    Tony Wroten Jr.
    Andrew Nicholson
    Perry Jones 3
    Marquis Teague

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  87. Im actually ok with that at this point, TJ.

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  88. Kyrie Irving is going to make Tyler Zeller very happy in Cleveland. Very interesting young trio the Cavs have put together.

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  89. I watched Nicholson in A-10 tourney...I think Magic got something there.

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  90. Nicholson isn't a bad player but this is the Magic overthinking it. Take Sullinger. Take Jones III. Nicholson's an awful lot likea guy they already have, Ryan Anderson

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  91. rooting for bradford burgess to hear his name called tonight

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  92. By the way, if the Rockets indeed keep all three dudes they just drafted I would be quite pleased as a Houston fan.

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  93. I hope I'm wrong about Nicholson as an impact guy. I don't dislike him. I just think Sullinger is better. And the Magic are going to need all the quality players they can get real, real soon.

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  94. I'm pretty surprised Kendall Marshall went 13th. He's a great passer but I don't think he can guard NBA PGs. And I'm not sold on him as a shooter either.

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  95. Sullinger to the Celtics. I like it.

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  96. Celtics take Sullinger. Of course they do. Because good organizations are good for a reason.

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  97. I wish my name was fab melo.

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  98. I'm salty, as usual with the Magic. I can handle it. This is no Fran Vasquez with the 10th pick.

    I'm also quite overwhelmed. I missed over half the 1st round because of my game.

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  99. Oh fuck me. Watch the Celtics make Fab Melo a legit NBA player.

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  100. Either that or KG murders him with his bare hands.

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  101. But would you have wanted to go by Fabricio as a child, Z?

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  102. I feel like if you're picking in the 20's you should take a guy who was a star at a big time program. Like sullinger or melo. Not sure how the C's got both. This could be glen Davis all over again.

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  103. John Jenkins can shoot his ass off. He's great off screens. You can run some offense around him. Nice pick.

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  104. Davis went mid 2nd. Sullinger, if healthy, is much better than Davis, imo. And the Celtics are great defensively so Melo might just work out too. Shit.

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  105. Perry Jones III seems like a Wizards guy to me...mentored by Blatche...good god.

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  106. Tony Wroten Jr. I like him. Can't shoot for shit but he can get to the hoop and pass.

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  107. plumlee is such an indiana pick

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  108. the booing of stern is growing tedious

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  109. The Plumlee-Zeller blood feud stands at 1-1. As it should be.

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  110. And Miles Plumlee is honky for stiff, Rob.

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  111. rece davis, from the top ropes

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  112. (don't know what that means. just sounded good when bilas said it.)

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  113. So OKC is getting Perry Jones III. Oh Jesus. He's going to end up being great for them. Fill in all the gaps.

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  114. OKC for Perry Jones III? Dude just got hooked up.

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  115. I could see Jones averaging 14-8-6-3 for OKC. This might end up being perfect for him, if healthy.

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  116. yeah, that's a great spot for him. young, but serious team. like to run a little.

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  117. Agreed. Best spot possible. He could easily come to average a 14-8-5-3 for them. Be the world's greatest glue guy. That's what his personality is best suited for.

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  118. This draft is really deep. Still a lot of quality players.

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  119. People can boo Stern forever. I like it. It's not like he gives a fuck.

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  120. The zero fucks given commissioner this generation demands and deserves.

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  121. wiz have two wild and crazy czech brothers

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  122. whoa. nadal lost to a qualifier in the 2nd round of wimby.

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  123. bernard james - best moment of the draft

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  124. Last hour of this draft have been much more entertaining than the entire Lottery portion.

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  125. Rob's boy. I wish he was going to a better organization.

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  126. Will Barton, Khris Middleton and Tyshawn Taylor have gone in the last three picks. Such a deep draft.

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  127. Tomorrow watch the last 2 laps in both mens and womens 5000m run....i am not a track watcher. Prettttty good.

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  128. Milwaukee is a good spot for Doron Lamb. He'll get minutes with both Brandon Jennings and Monta Ellis.

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  129. It's a shame TR wasn't awake to see the Knicks draft Kostas Panikolaou.

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  130. I am now legally separated from the Knicks and "seeing other people." Not sure if I want to keep trying to make it work, or if I need to move on.

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